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who has talked about breaking the grover norquist pledge on taxes. also, this morning, ceo's meeting with president obama yesterday, business leaders meeting with republicans as well. toth sides gathering ceo's talk about what they would like to see in the fiscal cliff tops. and in the washington post editorial -- also, "usa today" says -- you can look it up on president obama's budget page 465 that it's added to the deficit, they say, and it needs to be part of the deficit. the opposing view of durban says social security is not in a crisis. back to our question for our viewers. how would you fix your school system? david in kansas, an educator, republican line. caller: i just want to say i am an educator. i'm not republican. i would make education a completely free market good. i would get rid of compulsory school attendance. --would get rid of taxation a i think you need a wall that separates the government and education, just like we have a separation between government and religion. host: ok. june in wisconsin, independent. caller: hi. you know, the baby boomers got the last exc
counter broker and the man who does not believe in unicorns, pink or otherwise, mr. grover norquist. grover, what a day to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. of course, you know, north korea and -- media announced they did find unicorns in north korea. >> we don't often take our cues from them. i am one that firmly believes in the existence of unicorns somewhere and hopefully maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed do
re-election. it is republicans that have needs. they have grover norquist and these people on the right nipping at their heels. they have a need. obama has the leverage. we are seeing a reversal. democrats, the base, are not used to being winners. zat. we are the boss. we can do what we want. democrats are feeling excited because they actually have it over the republicans. >> i agree. i think in a certain way progressives tend to have a preference for being on outside. we almost prefer the sniping from the outside mentality of position. part of the danger for that is when you finally find yourself in the position of power, you have to be careful not to fredo out. we have this question about what do the people want and how, in fact, president obama holds his coalition together? we'll talk a lot more on exactly this after the break and what happens when the president goes to the mattresses, you know, bring the canoli. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevaci
explode. plosion they start with some ridiculous premise. people from cnbc like grover norquist is the guest you know will start with a premise that is not favorable to the president on the fiscal cliff. >> they take grover norquist seriously. seriously enough to have him on the panel. >> stephanie: who is he again and why? why does he literally -- >> i have a pledge. i got a pledge! >> stephanie: he was all threateny. if you thought -- >> i've got pictures of people doing naughty things. >> stephanie: he's like tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one. oh grover! [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] scared grover. >> the tea party kind of crashed and burned of its own volition. >> stephanie: people are on tv threatening the president. here's the thing. i found this great piece in the "wall street journal." we've talked about this before but here's what i hate is we start from the premise that this president has been such a crazy spender. [ cuckoo clock chimes ] this is why i find handy dandy charts so helpful. the
to decide who they are more loyal to, the united states constitution or the grover norquist. >> what is it? >> been i can't sleep. >> here try this. >> norquill. >> norquill the shut the [ censor bleep ] up so we can get something done medicine. available liquid or suppositories. [ applause ] >> stephanie: yes, go ahead. >> caller: yesterday on hurricane irene huckabee's show he went on and on and on about how dare bob costas talk about gun control. >> stephanie: oh boy. he is not even in politics. he just said something reasonable. like this domestic situation would not have resolved this way if he didn't have a gun. >> caller: and any situation that they can be on the wrong side of they find it tweet it say it and it drives me insane. >> stephanie: exactly. and bob costas is satan now. >> we'll have some of that coming up in right-wing world. >> stephanie: good tease. nicely done. >> stephanie: thank you. >> stephanie: jay carney. >> what we hope for is specificity from republicans. >> stephanie: and they gone none. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: this is what mitt romney was cri
push back against the kind of grover norquist ian asymmetry. i think they can get that. i'm not sure we end up at 396 for the top rate, but i think they will get that. i think probably by giving some on the entitlements as is in their opening bid, they will be able to get back to perhaps some of the stimulus ideas as well. certainly on the taxes. and maybe something on the near term to help the economy. >> i've been talking to a number of republican offices. one thing i've come to think has become a problem in the negotiation says republicans, aside from premium support in medicare, which they know they can't get, they actually don't flow what medicare cuts they want. they don't know what a middle ground is for them on entitlements. how do you see that part of the negotiation going. republicans don't have a set of, here are our asks, and here is what can you give us. that's part of why they want obama to tell them what they want. >> the president is starting out in the right place. so far, all 40,000 feet up for them. we want it clean out the tax code. close deducks. cut entitlements. t
. >>> grover norquist may have lost people on taxes but his thinking invaded immigration reform. seriously, immigration reform. that's next. and how congress can save $18 billion and more? without raising any taxes or cutting any spending. they just need to stop doing one thing. one teensy little incredible stupid thing. that is coming up. >>> yesterday, a stunning report was released by the pew research center showing that the birthrate dropped to its lowest ever recorded last year to 63.2 births to 1,000 women in child bearing age. to put that into perspective during the baby booming years there were a high of 123 births for women. it was according to a 14% drop in the birthrate among foreign-born women which is quote more than it had decline offered the entire 1990-2007 period. i among mexican women it dropped a whopping 23%. the thing for the birthrate is it is bad for the economy. it leads to too many old people and not enough young people. luckily there is a way to solve the problem. and it is not just a higher birthrate. it is an immigration. it can be a difficult fix if no one want
. remember that? it's a win-win to go over the clip. then you don't break the grover norquist pledge to raise taxes. which is why it's time to prepare for the failure of december talks. maybe we need the hardships main street middle class to become so clear that a compromise that abandons cherished principles may be the only way to avoid a recession, which would give other candidates a chance to rise up and take your seat in congress. hence why i'm not back with the 10% solution, a solution like how the dreaded tarp got through congress, so-called bank bailout. 10% after tarp was first rejected and congress people, constituents who own stock, people who can afford to contribute to campaigns, we better do some compromising. that could happen again if we don't get a deal by year end. it comes down to the final weeks of the year when it's clear we don't have a deal, some will sell their stock economically might save a ton taxes versus the 2013 tax code. the jobless claims that come out at 8:30, right now they aren't going up much because they aren't seeing lots of firings and they aren't going d
for the fanel to advance a deal with democrats to cut deficits but -- >> grover norquist drowns himself in a bathtub. after he hears that. >> he made me do it. >> stephanie: two of the republicans that vote most often against boehner. boehner is trying to control his caucus. >> i'll be really surprised -- >> stephanie: these two guys, whatever their names are they said despite sweeping changes to medicare and medicaid, paul ryan's budget didn't make deep enough cuts to entitlement. those guys. yeah, that wasn't quite mean enough. [ applause ] >> i would be surprised if boehner kept his leadership position in the next congress. >> stephanie: really? >> yeah. because he's not -- >> stephanie: i picture eric cantor rubbing his hands together like snidely whiplash. >> he can't keep the caucus together. the republicans are famous for staying together. he can't keep them together. >> flabbergasted! >> that's doing a bad job. >> stephanie: he's flabbergasted at his own caucus. [mumbling] >> stephanie: by the way doesn't
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
is for republicans to step out and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist and democrats are going to have to do things about entitlements that they'll get criticized on the left. >> cenk: they're going to seem so big and grand taking criticism for the left. those people all just voted for you, right? they are putting medicare and medicaid on the chopping block. they've been dying to do it all along. they ran a campaign about romney would cult medicare. they're going to cult medicare. romney would have, maybe more, but they're going to cut it. it gets worse. how about tax cuts. sit down please. before you watch this clip, sit down, otherwise you're going to fall down. >> the immediate question of the tax cuts, we want to extend them for most people but we want to engage in the process of tax reform that would produce lower rates, even potentially for the wealthiest. >> cenk: you didn't hear that wrong. not higher rates for the wealthiest lower rates for the wealthiest! lower rates! cut taxes for the wealthiest! i'm glad we had an election, guys. the whole point of the election was to raise
from the right. the leader of the right's rebellion is, of course, grover norquist. he said the president has installed himself at loyalty, and boehner is not being sufficiently revolutionary. >> he thinks someone made him king. he doesn't have the mandate that he thinks he does. i think he takes us over the cliff because he has got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> jennifer: or where he stands? where the president stands? he's leader of the free world for goodness sakes. but back to the tea party senator jim demint, who was riding first class on the tea party express, he tweeted that boehner's propose is an $800 billion tax hike that will destroy jobs and allow politicians to spend even more. not so fast, demint. there is yet another front in this revolution. conservative columnist jennifer ruben dismissed demint's rhetoric and says the votes of demimit t al are no votes. oh please, smart and sensible conservatives should ignore the drivers of right-wing lunyie train and carry on. others think they're being punished for their votes. the committ
. pittsburg,s from vermont, on the line for independents. caller: grover norquist was making a speech on c-span last week. he he mentioned that for taxing the rich, they should try in smaller states like vermont. i do not know if he has ever been to vermont. 90% of vermonters definitely are not rich. we are for the most part struggling middle-class. probably will 1% or 2% of vermonters make over $100,000 a year. the definitely needs to look of his demographics better. guest: i do not know if you've had a grover norquist on the show -- he is a very controversial figure. he has this taxpayer protection pledge that was set up in 1986 that he is gone and most of the republican lawmakers to sign. there have been some cracks in support for the pledge, because in addition to opposing tax increases, it opposes any reduction unless there is a comparable -- cuts and deductions, you make it up with further cuts in tax rates. maybe that pledge has run its course. i know grover norquist would not agree with that. host: if you go to c- span.org/fiscalcliff, everything that has been discussed on the fisc
grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really difficult decision for a lot of us, but we got "x." you know, the geithner offer of yesterday didn't have any "x." and what's fascinating about this, obama seems totally, totally convinced that if we go over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude
speak for themselves and just leave it at all. >> grover norquist -- you were talking about leverage and you believe republicans could get more leverage if they got this out of the way, called the white house's bluff, if you will and said, okay, fine, we'll give you this and have the larger debate. he believes the debt ceiling should be used as leverage. is that responsible governing? >> i think the speaker did, in our conference did the right thing last time. we were willing to raise the debt ceiling. that's a tough vote for republicans, but only if it was accompanied by reforms and long-term spending cuts. i actually think that's a good thing and should be institutionized. we should not continue on a course of piling up debt and not try to correct things. i think the speaker did the right thing, pushed for that, and we got it. as a result, we're going to have $2 trillion less in long-term debt thanks to what john mccain did. >> by the way, should there be a debt ceiling? is this sort of a ridiculous thing? >> i don't think it's ridiculous. i think it forces us to confront reality.
, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal ends up including higher tax revenues. i won't have a problem with letting those tax rates go up, representative mike simpson said to reuters. but new york congressman chris gibson found the most creative way out of his relationship with grover. his spokesman released a statement reading, the congressman signed the pledge as a candidate in 2010 for the 20th congressional district. carson gibson doesn't plan to re-sign it for the 19th congressional district, which he now represents. the pledge is to your constituents of a numbered district. >> we're very happy with any rationale that helps republicans accept decoupling of the bush tax cuts. and so speaker boehner this morning said there's no progress. but all you have to do is just listen to what's happening out there. and you know there is progress. >> i think when we listen to what's happening out there is the sound of panic. c
. the whole thing is going wacky, one guy is going to be standing in the middle of the storm, not grover norquist or some republican but the president of the united states who has to weather the storm and point the finger across the aisle to someone nobody else in the world knows. speaker boehner, will you solve this problem. i think times change. >> the economically the biggest risk is the sequestration. it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they have to. they don't believe they're going to let us go over theically. >> i don't think the grown-ups believe they have to do the job by january 1st. i believe they believe the grown-ups have to do the job by january 30th or february 15th. >> they're going to believe the politicians can get the job do
grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of washington next week. i'm not kidding. i think we should ask each politician we interview, have you purchased tickets to leave without getting your job done. what's the date on that ticket?
does grover norquist pledge play into all of this, right? if you look at tom saying i don't see it as a pledge. >> however they want to modify that definition of having taken the pledge is fine by me. >> at the end of the day if you're the top 2% you're paying more and will feel like the taxes were raised. is that enough of an out, do you think? >> whatever they want -- however they want to gloss it over is fine by me. taking the pledge. i never took it even though i cut taxes and kept the budget spending low and all those good things and grover's group would never endorse me because i wouldn't take the pledge. it makes no sense to tie your hands before you know what you may actually be facing and what you're going to have to deal. and now what's happening -- i think it's a good sign as far as the ability to come to some kind of a compromise on the issue of the fiscal cliff. you have thoughtful leaders saying look, we cannot tie our hands this way. i don't care whether they want to say tess a revenue enhancer, it's closing a loophole and that's not really raising a tax. whatever
to grover norquist by signing on to the federal taxpayer protection pledge. all thee three of the rising stars are women that doesn't mean they support women's reproductive choices. several would deny the women the right guaranteed to them by roe v. wade. even as the new herd presents your fresh faces, it's array of gender and versatility that we in nerdland will take each of you at face value. but will then move on quickly to ask what are your new ideas? at the table, matt welch is editor in chief of reason. editor in reason of chief magazine and the co-author of declaration of independence. conservative writer tara wall was a senior media adviser for. an associate professor of science at columbia university. a fellow at the roosevelt institute and manuel reyes. thanks for having you here. it's nice to have you. >>> tara, welcome to nerdland. >> how did i know you were coming to me first. >> now i would like you to explain your party. >> lay it all on the table. >> in a certain way, it's so early, i feel silly talking about it. but i do think it's important that we not sort of come out
the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposal but it was not very many and they dismissed it out of, of hand after i thought geithner spent the entire weekend calling on the republicans to come forward with a plan. >> well, soledad, the p
with that cuts visas for minorities and signals their continued support for a grover norquist-style no new green cards pledge that says you can't create a green card for one person without taking it away from someone else. even worse, it's shameful in design to reduce the overall level of legal immigration. under the current law, unused visas in one immigration category roll over to immigrants in other categories who are stuck in decades-long, decades-long green card backlogs. but h.r. 6429 doesn't do this. thereby ensuring that unused visas are wasted and legal immigrants must continue to suffer in long backlogs. this is a naked attempt to satisfy any immigrants groups that have long lobbied for reduced levels of legal immigration. if this is a new strategy on immigration, it sure looks a lot like the old one. a zero sum rule means our immigration system can never be fixed. we would not be able to craft solutions for the dreamers who were brought here as children or for the agricultural workers growing the food on our table, or for american families whose loved ones are stuck in decades-long gr
to not provide a path for illegapal that can be perceived as amnesty. it's much like the grover norquist pledge on taxes, anything that sounds like they will be rewarded for breaking the law and they will get an easy past is considered amnesty. jon: ronald reagan did it, didn't he? >> yes. republicans are a natural homss, they believe, for latinos. they are the party of opportunity, and hard work, of entrepreneurs and they are pro family. they have to start to speak about these issues where it doesn't sound like they are breaking up families. the republicans are trying to promote for science, technology and engineering and math, whether it's a high skilled visa or a low skilled advice a whether it's farm workers, domestic workers who clean hotepal this is all immigrant labor, and this apalo has an economic component in addition to the fact that many of their churches are telling them we can no longer side with this anti-immigration position. so it is changing out from under them and i think they are going to look for a way that they can change policy without a political backlash. joons we will
. politico and the discussion of the so-called fiscal cliff with grover norquist. and at 9:00 eastern on c-span 3, discussions on the 1990 budget deal featuring tom foaly and former white house chief of staff john sununu. and a hearing on amtrak operations at 10:00 a.m. eastern. witnesses include the president of amtrak and a representative of the united transportation union. >> washington worked his way up. went to harvard law school and at the urging of one of his brothers immigrated out west to virginia. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, by stagecoach, by train and arrived in this -- on steamboat in this muddy, mining town, boarded himself in a log cabin. established a law practice in a log cabin and then slowly worked his way up and became a very successful lawyer and got involved politically, ran for congress, served for eight terms and then befriended abraham lincoln, obviously, from illinois. and grant, and as they were on the rise, washburn stated them as a close confidente during the war and after grant was elected president, he appointed washburn as secretary of s
our oath to the constitution. others will take their oath to grover norquist. >> coom meeting ceremonies. >> grover, you know, the temple on 16th street. >> maybe the capitol grill, k street. it's unbelievable. >> carnalishment this is something i hope you can get in the debate is why we are here in the first lace that republicans put us on the path to the fiscal cliff by not doing what congress -- dozens of congresses have done, which is to extend the debt limit, not spend more money on getting into debt. >> that's to pay the interest on the debt we already 0. >> that's exact right. >> we are here right now, this republican, you know, fiscal cliff because they forced us to be here because they wouldn't do the responsible thing in 2011. >> exactly. look, we are here because the republicans did what no family may america would do, they took out the credit card. they put expenses on that credit card and decided we don't want to pay what we owe. these were their decisions. history is interesting but it's not going to get us away from this cliff. what
. god bless you. enjoy the conference. [applause] [applause] >>> grover norquist founder and president for americans for tax reform will be the guest at "politico" playbook breakfast. we'll be live starting at 8:00 a.m. here on c-span2. >>> now former clinton administration chief of staff john podesta talks about lessons learned from the election and what it means for changes to education. after the remarks here's joined by jeb bush for a question and answer session. it's thirty five minutes. [applause] thank you for that. it's a pleasure to be here. thank you governor bush and the foundation for excellence. it will probably come as no shock to anyone in the room that we don't agree on everything. notwithstanding his relationship to my -- one thing i think we both agree on is the importance of having strong voices on championing the cause of education as a critical element of our nation's agenda and building a strong coalition in the center to demand reform of the public education system. the system that quite tankly, is still not working for too many of our students. governor, i reall
to trim entitlements. anti-tax crusader grover norquist wants to use the ceiling as leverage for republicans in fiscal cliff negotiations, writinging, quote, the debt ceiling provides plenty of leverage for the gop to trade for spending cuts as done in 2011 or continuing the lower rates. republicans may have lost some of that leverage in this year's election, but if history is any guide, this will come down to the last minute. cliff meets ceiling. brooke? >> christine romans, thank you. >>> actor ben affleck among others begging the united states to do something as more and more are dying in the congo. and today, a huge development in this escalating crisis. but will the world listen? ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. hurry in and try five succulent entrees, like our tender snow crab paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. of green giant vegetables it's easy to e
. >> thank you. grover norquist, i interviewed him. >> steve: we'll watch this weekend. >> gretchen: did you know about the price of pizza? it's going up. our next guest says that we can thank obamacare for the prices going up. >> brian: then. >> steve: brand-new awesome video reveals the exact moment this construction worker -- >> brian: finds out. >> steve: he has all six winning numbers in the powerball! what ems we know about him ahead. >> brian: no way. no way. that's so cool. >> steve: come on [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] woer what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relf ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. and we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later, not so much. this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shippi
. the first caller was alluding to the pledge the congressmen in 2008 took to grover norquist. i feel that is a treasonous act. after the new congressmen came in in 2008, they went through orientation and found apartments. then they boarded the plane and went to israel to get their orders as to what they should do in their first year. host: we will leave it there. talk to us -- we have an article from politico with some advice on effectiveness for new members of congress. the first he says is move to washington. he refers to former speaker tip o'neill. his advice is not practical for every member and their family. it would be wise to show you our constituents who are smart and effective. spend quality time in washington five days a week. it does not seen that happen as much these days. they are in on tuesday morning and out on thursday afternoon. guest: i read that. is outstanding. i will encourage anyone to go to a politico and search for that. it is a personal and political decision on whether they move their families to washington. increasingly, members have chosen not to do it for
're not going to sign the special interest tax pledge from grover norquist. so, i give them a lot of mrauz f for doing the right thing. >> thank you for joining me, as always. i appreciate that. >>> that is a wrap of this "weekend with alex witt." up next my friend craig melamvi. i'm alex witt, have yourselves a great day. nk you need to go to a department store counter to treat your toughest skin concerns? join the counter revolution and switch to olay pro-x to see results in 28 days. anti-aging results so you look up to 12 years younger. reduce the look of pores and fight red acne for clearer skin get cleansing results as effective as a $200 system no matter what your skincare issues you'll see results in 28 days guaranteed join the counter revolution with potent, professional, pro-x. you'll also care about our new offer. you get access to nurses who can help with your questions. and your loved one can get exelon patch free for 30 days. if the doctor feels it's right for them. it cannot change how the disease progresses. hospitalization and rarely death have been reported in patients who w
. grover norquist said why don't we just get the c-span and watch the sausage being made. it could be too scary. >> brian: they had him out there and he defended himself yesterday. he's doing a good job exactly defining what he's going for. he's not the angry guy everyone portrade himself. mr. #1: makes a point that washington smends too much. another story that everyone is talking about. kansas city chief's player who murdered his girlfriend, shot her nine times and killed himself. brad underwood has more from kansas city. good morning, brad. >> good morning, it has been an emotional high and low in the last couple of days in kansas city. they are continuing to learn more about the events leading up with the incident with javon and his girlfriend casandra perkins and what will happen to zoe. javon's mother the raise the three month old in long island. funeral arrangements haven't been made for casandra or javon. the first thing out of the head coach's mouth. thoughts and prayers going out to both families. javon a starter of the kansas city chiefs and his girlfriend was active in the org
to spend on. host: do you agree with the grover norquist tax pledge to not raise taxes? caller: in service of the tax rates? yes, i do. i am also left scratching my head because i believe when the bush tax cuts were put into effect that many democrats oppose those as being bad for the economy. yet, and now, they are running around saying we cannot let the rates go back to the talks rates that we set up under president clinton -- the tax rates go back. what let's stick out with came out yesterday from the republicans. they want to bring in new revenue from tax reform, $800 billion being their calculations. do you agree with some who say that is increasing taxes? caller: yes and no. it depends. i would agree with that form of tax revenue increase if it went with spendingd reductions. host: that is where you see compromise? caller: we have been through this before. i have friends that frequently site back in reagan's presidency that president reagan increased taxes, but he did that as a consequence of an agreement with the democratic leadership with the democratic leadership
and deductions by which the grover norquist pledge to not raise taxes. >> guest: it's not up to me to say what they leap and what doesn't. keeping tax rates where they are is the real question. you can increase revenue without increasing tax rate honestly just a more efficient system that redistributes investments away from loopholes for things that generate economic growth and that is something that paul ryan of coors has been a leading advocate of. this is a really good proposal by the speaker and now is pleased to see a republican signoff. i think hopefully the white house understands that mean the unity of the republican leadership table, you sure you do sanity in the republican congress. >> host: use a copy of the letter with the leadership team including paul ryan, chairman of the budget committee. a lot of callers had to about the lack of details proposal appeared well to pull deductions to get rid of in order to bring in more revenue? >> guest: , a gun, there's an interesting debate and discussion on not naturally negotiating. the easiest way to do it discount the dollar amount and let
that. but look at grover norquist's rhetoric in the last 24 hours. look at what tom cole said. look at how every day another republican comes out and says well, maybe we could stomach a slight tax rate increase if. those are all the building blocks that it takes to gradually get to a place where republicans can do something that they hate doing. they don't want to raise taxes. but what the president would say is, i don't care what you want. you don't have a choice. the bush tax cuts go away at the end of the year. i will let them all go away if that's what it takes to get the rate on top earners to go up. boehner knows that. he has a huge incentive to get something out of this deal. and the president has a huge incentive to get a deal because the last thing he wants is an economic funk to start his second term. that would be a bummer for him and a bummer for his policies. >> and if i was advising republicans, i would say you want to get re-elected? you want to be here on your party? look at chris christie. start to move over to the other side of the aisle. >> michael steele, i know
and not to a washington lobbyist named grover norquist. that is politically courageous. many have already said this. i respect them so much for it. as more do, it will create an environment for us to reach an agreement. we need the same willingness to step 4 on the left to be able to meet in this room at the table or wherever the room maybe and to come to an agreement that will lead us forward. one thing i am hoping for is if we can reach an agreement, in principle before the end of the year, then implement it, i believe this is what many have been waiting for to launch a more spirited recovery. if we get this done, if we have a credible $4 trillion deficit reduction plan signed and sealed, signed by the president, what does that say to the rest of the world? many economies in europe and other places are struggling, but ours will be the strongest in the world in terms of the future. it takes a lot of hard work but it is worth the effort. all will prosper. saturday night, my wife and i went to see a movie by spielberg. about another gentleman who lived in illinois for a while named abraham lincoln. tow
opinion of grover norquist and the no-tax pledge. >> a question for steve schmidt -- what is your opinion of the grover norquist no-tax pledge? >> on the issue of taxes, it is true that we are at a historic low of revenue to g.d.p.. it has to come up. because a country with $16 trillion in debt with republicans -- which republicans and democrats are responsible for has to be fixed. we have to get on to a sustainable economic path. barry goldwater said tax cuts yes, the deficit reduction first. you have to baby bells. d. -- pay the bills. in your personal and public life -- you want to have a prescription drug benefits under medicare, that is great, you have to pay for it. you once two wars? you have to pay for them, too. we should understand something about the republican party over the last and years. it has been a big spending party -- it just does not want to pay for any of the spending. a reset of traditional conservatism requires that we be reality-based on the fiscal condition of the country and understand that the years of profligacy now require increased revenue. the notion that w
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